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E28 – Sex in the Church vs Sex in the Church

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  • JD from Only Fans
    • Either way im disappointed, I saw the videos of u eating pussy and vice versa and it broke my heart. I thought u were straight. See i only support and give my money to straight queens, and “bi friendly” doesnt like a straight queen to me, sounds to me like ur a mentally ill faggot ??
    • U can snitch all u want, as long u realize that i fucking hate ur nasty faggot ass, dirty ass bitHow embarrassing
    • Faggot ass bitch i feel sorry 4 u ????????????Never send this disgusting shit again
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    • And whoever that other bitch is tell her shes a mentally ill faggot too
    • ch. Imagine being attracted to ur own gender??? how embarrassing. Mentally ill faggot ?

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Christians and Sex Information

  • Statistics
    • Adultery in vs outside of the church[1]
      • 65% of men and 40% of women have affair by age 40
      • 23% of pastors surveyed
      • Statistics inside church same as outside.
    • Ashley Madison Results[2]
      • In fact, a quarter of the survey participants self-identify as evangelical, making it the most common faith among the unfaithful.
      • Many of the would-be cheaters on the site are also Protestant (about 23%) or Catholic (about 23%).
      • The study also found that 24% of the men and 32% of the women who use Ashley Madison say they pray regularly.
      • As for Commandment number seven, only 18% of male and 11% of female participants said they consider cheating to be a sin.
      • According to the Pew Forum, about 26% of adults are affiliated with an evangelical church, while almost 24% consider themselves Catholic.
      • Less than 5% identify as non-Christian, which lines up with the low percentage of Jewish, Muslim and Hindu users in the survey.
      • Ashley Madison founder Noel Biderman told the Daily News that he expected the results to stray further from the norm, but now religion can be “crossed off the list” of factors that may drive infidelity.
      • “You can go and pray every Sunday, or Saturday, or three times a day, and it may not make a difference in how monogamous you are,” he said.
      • The survey broke down the religious preferences of more than 63,000 affair-seeking individuals in the U.S. About 57% of the respondents were male. The average age among the men surveyed was 39, while the average age of the women was 34.
      • Participants were asked to select their religion from a list. Here are the top 10 responses:
        • Evangelical 25.1%
        • Catholic 22.75%
        • Protestant 22.7%
        • Agnostic 2%
        • Mormon 1.6%
        • Muslim 1.5%
        • Jewish 1.4%
        • Atheist 1.4%
        • Jehovah’s Witness .5%
        • Hindu .3%
  • [3]
Sex in the Church – Winston ‘Bello’ Bell

By Tony Robinson
The Jamaica Observer
August 20, 2006

  • sex in the church is a reality. Pastor power is real, church sister sex is surreal, deacons are daring, adults do adultery, and the flock do fornicate. More time.
  • It’s like this young girl who gave in to this parson then confessed to him saying, “Oh father forgive me but I have sinned twice,” to which he queried, “Twice? But we only did it once.” She retorted, “But aren’t we going to do it again father?”
  • In the News
    • Catholic Church
      • Oct 2021 Report[4]
        • French Clergy
          • Reported 216,000 child sexual abuse scandals 1950-2020
        • Australia
          • 4,444 child sex abuse between 1950-2010
          • As high as 15% of priests involved
        • German
          • 3,677 children between 1975-2018
          • Over 1670 Clergy Persons involved
        • United States
          • 11,000 children
          • Hundreds of millions paid out in court settlements
          • 300 Predator Priests
        • Ireland
          • 15,000 children from 1970-1990
        • Total
          • 250,121 Reported Child Sexual Abuse
    • Hillsong Church[5]
      • Carl Lentz
        • Covering up Child Sexual Abuse
        • Preached Sexual Purity
          • No kissing in 1st year
          • No sex until marriage
          • yet, known within the church to be a womanizer

5 month long affair with Ranin Karim

    • 10 Sex Scandals that Rocked the Christain Church [6]
      • 1. John Paulk, 2000 John Paulk, former leader of the Love Won Out conference, was also author of the autobiography “Not Afraid to Change,” his story about being delivered from homosexuality. However, in September 2000, Paulk was photographed in a Washington, D.C. gay bar flirting with male patrons. Paulk initially denied the claims, but later confessed to being in the bar, adding that he did not enter the bar for sexual pursuits.
      • 2. Douglas Goodman, 2004 Evangelist Douglas Goodman and his wife Erica were pastors of Victory Christian Centre, one of the largest churches in London, England, with a very popular televised ministry. After sexually assaulting four female churchgoers, Douglas Goodman was sentenced and jailed for three and a half years. VCC was closed, but after his release from prison Goodman joined his wife Erica in pastoral ministry at her newly established Victory to Victory church.
      • 3. Ted Haggard, 2006 Ted Haggard was the pastor of the New Life Church in Colorado Springs, Colorado, as well as the president of the National Association of Evangelicals from 2003-2006. In 2006, it was revealed that Haggard had been regularly visiting a male prostitute who also provided him with drugs. Haggard admitted to his solicitation and resigned as pastor of his church and as president of the NAE. In 2009, Haggard admitted to a second relationship with a male church member on CNN-TV.
      • 4. Paul Barnes, 2006 Paul Barnes, in his 28 years as a pastor, founded the Grace Chapel church in Douglas County, Colorado, with a few dozen people in his home basement. With time, the church’s membership grew to 2,100 loyal followers. In 2006, Barnes confessed to homosexual activity and resigned. Many believe he was so forthright because of Ted Haggard’s scandal, which happened at the same time in the same state.
      • 5. Lonnie Latham, 2006 The Southern Baptist Convention, or the SBC, is an extremely powerful movement not only amongst Southern Baptists but Baptists nationwide. In 2006, Lonnie Latham, member of the SBC Executive Committee and senior pastor of South Tulsa Baptist Church, was arrested for allegedly inviting a male undercover Oklahoma City police officer to his hotel room for sex. Latham urged people not to believe it, and was later found not guilty in a one day trial for the misdemeanor.
      • 6. Earl Paulk, 2007 Earl Paulk, sometimes considered the father of the religious sex scandal, has scandals (plural) that stretch over a decade. The late Earl Paulk was the founder and head pastor of Chapel Hill Harvester Church in Decatur, Georgia, from 1960 until the late 90s. During his time as pastor, a number of women from the congregation came forward claiming that they had sexual relations with Paulk, many of which were proven true. However it was the scandal involving Donnie Earl Paulk, the current senior pastor of the church and nephew of Earl Paulk, that was the most shocking of them all in. In 2007, Paulk D.E. Paulk took a court-ordered DNA test which showed that he was Earl’s son, not his nephew — sadly proving Earl and his sister-in-law had had a sexual relationship. Earl Paulk, who passed away in 2009, is said to be the longtime mentor of Bishop Eddie Long.
      • 7. Coy Privette, 2007 Coy Privette is one of the famous Baptist ministers in the state of North Carolina, as the longtime head of the N.C. Christian Action League. In 2007, the State Bureau of Investigation and the Kannapolis Police Department charged Coy Privette with six counts of aiding and abetting prostitution. Privette, who was 74 at the time, was the Cabarrus County Commissioner and a former N.C. State Representative.
      • 8. Joe Barron, 2008 Before there was “Dateline: How To Catch A Predator,” there was Joe Barron — one of the 40 ministers presiding over the 26,000 members at Prestonwood Baptist Church in Plano, Texas. Barron, a marriage counseling pastor, was caught in the web of an internet crackdown on pedophiles when he was arrested in 2008 for solicitation of a minor. Barron made the drive from the Dallas area to Bryan, Texas, in order to allegedly engage in sexual relations with what he thought to be a 13-year-old girl he met online. The “girl” turned out to be an undercover law enforcement official. At the time of the arrest, police found found condoms, a webcam and headset in Barron’s car.
      • 9. Tony Alamo, 2008 In September 2008, FBI agents raided the Tony Alamo Christian Ministries headquarters in a child pornography investigation, after the mayor of Fouke, Arkansas, office had received complaints from former ministry members about allegations of child abuse, sexual abuse and polygamy. In late July 2009, Alamo was convicted on ten counts of transporting young girls and boys across state lines for sexual activities and pornography. On November 13, 2009, he was sentenced to the maximum punishment of 175 years in prison.
      • 10. George Alan Rekers, 2010 George Alan Rekers, a far-right Christian leader was encountered and photographed at Miami International Airport returning from an extended overseas trip with a twenty-year-old gay male prostitute, known as a “rent boy.” Given Rekers’ opinion on homosexuals and homosexual behavior, his decision to employ a homosexual escort as a traveling companion, stirred up a scandal. Rekers initially claimed that the escort was there to help carry luggage, but later gave a new explanation for the trip on Facebook, “I deliberately spend time with sinners with the loving goal to try to help them.” The escort claimed in subsequent interviews, that Rekers had paid him to provide nude massages daily, which included genital touching.
    • 22 Evangelical Christian Scandals[7]
      • Aimee Semple McPherson, 1920s–40s
      • One of the most famous evangelist scandals involved Canadian-born Aimee Semple McPherson in the 1920s, who allegedly had an extramarital relationship and faked her own death as a cover. She later claimed that she had been kidnapped, but a grand jury could neither prove that a kidnapping occurred, nor that she had faked it. Roberta Semple Salter, her daughter from her first marriage, became estranged from Semple McPherson and successfully sued her mother’s attorney for slander during the 1930s. As a result of this she was cut out of her mother’s will. Aimee Semple McPherson died in 1944 from an “accidental” overdose of barbiturates.
      • Billy James Hargis, Early 1970s
      • Hargis was a prolific author and radio evangelist. Hargis formed American Christian College in 1971 in order to teach fundamentalist Christian principles. However, a sex scandal erupted at the College, involving claims that Hargis had had sex with male and female students. Hargis was forced out of American Christian College’s presidency as a result. Further scandals erupted when members of Hargis’ youth choir, the “All American Kids”, accused Hargis of sexual misconduct as well. The college eventually closed down in the mid-1970s. Hargis denied the allegations publicly.
      • Marjoe Gortner, Early 1970s
      • Gortner rose to fame in the late 1940s as a child preacher, but he had simply been trained to do this by his parents and he had no personal faith. He was able to perform “miracles” and received large amounts of money in donations. After suffering a crisis of conscience, he invited a film crew to accompany him on a final preaching tour. The resulting film, Marjoe, mixes footage of revival meetings with Gortner’s explanations of how evangelists manipulate their audiences. It won the 1972 Academy Award for Best Documentary Feature, but was never screened in the Southern United States due to fears that it would cause outrage in the Bible Belt.
      • Jim & Tammy Bakker And Jimmy Swaggart, 1986 And 1991
      • Swaggart’s confession where he declared to his congregation on television, “I have sinned against you, my Lord”, became an iconic image of the 1980s.
      • In 1986, evangelist Jimmy Swaggart began on-screen attacks against fellow televangelists Marvin Gorman and Jim Bakker. He uncovered Gorman’s affair with a member of Gorman’s congregation, and also helped expose Bakker’s infidelity (which was arranged by a colleague while on an out-of-state trip). These exposures received widespread media coverage. Gorman retaliated in kind by hiring a private investigator to uncover Swaggart’s own adulterous indiscretions with a prostitute. Swaggart was subsequently forced to step down from his pulpit for a year and made a tearful televised apology in February 1988 to his congregation, saying “I have sinned against you, my Lord, and I would ask that your precious blood would wash and cleanse every stain until it is in the seas of God’s forgiveness.”
      • Swaggart was caught again by California police three years later in 1991 with another prostitute, Rosemary Garcia, who was riding with him in his car when he was stopped for driving on the wrong side of the road. When asked why she was with Swaggart, she replied, “He asked me for sex. I mean, that’s why he stopped me. That’s what I do. I’m a prostitute.”
      • Peter Popoff, 1987
      • A self-proclaimed prophet and faith healer in the 1980s, Popoff’s ministry went bankrupt in 1987 after magician and skeptic James Randi and Steve Shaw debunked his methods by showing that instead of receiving information about audience members from supernatural sources, he received it through an in-ear receiver.
      • Morris Cerullo, 1990s
      • A number of incidents involving California-based televangelist Morris Cerullo caused outrage in the United Kingdom during the 1990s. Cerullo’s claims of faith healing were the focus of particular concern. At a London crusade in 1992, he pronounced a child cancer sufferer to be healed, yet the girl died two months later. Multiple complaints were upheld against satellite television channels transmitting Cerullo’s claims of faith-healing, and a panel of doctors concluded that Cerullo’s claims of miraculous healing powers could not be substantiated. Cerullo also produced fund-raising material, which was condemned as unethical by a number of religious leaders, as it implied that giving money to his organization would result in family members becoming Christians.
      • Mike Warnke, 1991
      • Warnke was a popular Christian evangelist and comedian during the 1970s and 1980s. He claimed in his autobiography, The Satan Seller (1973), that he had once been deeply involved in a Satanic cult and was a Satanic priest before converting to Christianity. In 1991, Cornerstone magazine launched an investigation into Warnke’s life and testimony. It investigated Warnke’s life, from interviews with over one hundred personal friends and acquaintances, to his ministry’s tax receipts. Its investigation turned up damaging evidence of fraud and deceit. The investigation also revealed the unflattering circumstances surrounding Warnke’s multiple marriages, affairs, and divorces. Most critically, however, the investigation showed how Warnke could not possibly have done the many things he claimed to have done throughout his nine-month tenure as a Satanist, much less become a drug-addicted dealer or become a Satanic high priest.
      • Robert Tilton, 1991
      • Tilton is an American televangelist who achieved notoriety in the 1980s and early 1990s through his paid television program Success-N-Life. At its peak, it aired in all 235 American TV markets. In 1991, Diane Sawyer and ABC News conducted an investigation of Tilton. The investigation, broadcast on ABC’s Primetime Live on November 21, 1991, found that Tilton’s ministry threw away prayer requests without reading them, keeping only the money or valuables sent to them by viewers, garnering his ministry an estimated $80 million USD a year. In the original investigation, one of Tilton’s former prayer hotline operators claimed that the ministry cared little for desperate followers who called for prayer, saying that Tilton had a computer installed in July 1989 to make sure that the phone operators were off the line in seven minutes. Tilton sued ABC for libel in 1992, but the case was dismissed in 1993, and Tilton’s show was off the air by October 30, 1993.
      • W. V. Grant, 2003
      • Like Peter Popoff, Grant was investigated by James Randi regarding his faith healing claims. He was then imprisoned for tax evasion in 1996. After restarting his ministry upon release, a TV investigation found that claims of healing he made at a 2003 revival in Atlanta were false.
      • Paul Crouch, 2004
      • Paul Crouch is the founder and president of the Trinity Broadcasting Network, or TBN, the world’s largest evangelical Christian television network, as well as the former host of TBN’s flagship variety show, Praise the Lord. In September 2004, the Los Angeles Times published a series of articles raising questions about the fundraising practices and financial transparency of TBN, as well as the allegations of a former ministry employee, Enoch Lonnie Ford, that he had a homosexual affair with Crouch during the 1990s. The Times spoke with several sources that claimed that other evangelists such as Benny Hinn, Jack Hayford, and Paul’s son Matthew were aware that an affair had taken place. TBN denied the allegations, claiming that Ford’s claims were part of an extortion scheme and that the Times was a “left-wing and anti-Christian newspaper” for publishing the articles. In 2005, Ford submitted to and passed a lie detector test on the ION Television program Lie Detector.
      • Douglas Goodman, 2004
      • Douglas Goodman, an evangelical preacher, and his wife Erica were pastors of Victory Christian Centre in London, England. The church was one of the largest in the United Kingdom. He came into notoriety when he was jailed for three and a half years for the sexual assault of four members of his congregation in 2004. VCC was closed by the Charity Commission, but his wife Erica started a new church, Victory to Victory, in Wembley. Douglas has upon his release resumed full pastoral ministry alongside his wife
      • Kent Hovind, 2006
      • Kent Hovind is an American Baptist minister and Young Earth creationist. He is most famous for creation science seminars, in which he argues for Young Earth creationism, using his self-formulated “Hovind Theory.” He has been criticized by both the mainstream scientific community and other creationists. In 2006, Hovind who also has a reputation as a tax protestor had been charged with falsely declaring bankruptcy, making threats against federal officials, filing false complaints, failing to get necessary building permits, and various tax-related charges. He was convicted of 58 federal tax offenses and related charges, for which he is currently serving a ten-year sentence.[16]
      • Ted Haggard, 2006
      • Ted Haggard was the pastor of the New Life Church in Colorado Springs, Colorado and was the president of the National Association of Evangelicals (NAE) from 2003 until November 2006. Haggard’s position allowed him occasional access to President George W. Bush. In 2006 it was alleged that Haggard had been regularly visiting a male prostitute who also provided him with methamphetamine. Haggard admitted his wrongdoing and resigned as pastor of New Life church and as president of the NAE. The high-profile case was significant also because it immediately preceded the 2006 mid-term elections and may have even affected national voting patterns[citation needed]. In January 2009, Haggard admitted to a second homosexual relationship with a male church member on CNN-TV and other national media, and when asked, would not directly answer a question about his other possible homosexual relationships.
      • Gilbert Deya, 2006
      • Kenyan-born Deya moved to the United Kingdom in the 1990s and started a number of churches. He claims to have supernatural powers that allow him to make infertile women become pregnant and give birth. However, police investigations in the UK and Kenya concluded that Deya and his wife were stealing Kenyan babies. Deya was arrested in London during December 2006 and as of April 2010 he is currently fighting extradition to Kenya.[20]
      • Richard Roberts, 2007
      • In October 2007, televangelist Richard Roberts (son of the late televangelist Oral Roberts), was president of Oral Roberts University until his forced resignation on November 23, 2007. Roberts was named as a defendant in a lawsuit alleging improper use of university funds for political and personal purposes and improper use of university resources.[21]
      • Earl Paulk, 2007
      • Earl Paulk (no relation to John Paulk) was the founder and head pastor of Chapel Hill Harvester Church in Decatur, Georgia from 1960 until the 1990s. A number of women from the congregation came forward during the 1990s claiming that Paulk had sexual relations with them. Some of these claims have subsequently been proven correct. Moreover, Donnie Earl Paulk, the current senior pastor of the church and nephew of Earl Paulk, had a court-ordered DNA test in 2007 which showed that he was Earl’s son, not his nephew, which means that Earl and his sister-in-law had had a sexual relationship which led to Donnie’s birth.
      • Coy Privette, 2007
      • Privette is a Baptist pastor, conservative activist, and politician in the U.S. state of North Carolina. Privette was president of the Christian Action League and a prominent figure in North Carolina moral battles. In 2007, Privette resigned as president of North Carolina’s Christian Action League and from the Board of Directors of the Baptist State Convention of North Carolina, following revelations on July 19 that he had been charged with six counts of aiding and abetting prostitution.
      • Michael Reid, 2008
      • Bishop Michael Reid (born 1944) is a Christian evangelist in Essex, England and founder of Michael Reid Ministries who resigned from the role of pastor at Peniel Church in April 2008, after admitting to an eight-year extra-marital sexual relationship. The scandal was widely reported online and in UK newspapers. He has since re-developed an itinerant evangelistic ministry and has been speaking at a number of churches in the UK and overseas.
      • Joe Barron, 2008
      • Joe Barron, one of the 40 ministers at Prestonwood Baptist Church, one of the largest churches in the United States with 26,000 members, was arrested on May 15, 2008 for solicitation of a minor after driving from the Dallas area to Bryan, Texas, in order to allegedly engage in sexual relations with what he thought to be a 13 year-old girl he had met online. The “girl” turned out to be an undercover law enforcement official.
      • Todd Bentley, 2008
      • Canadian Todd Bentley rose to prominence as the evangelist at the Lakeland Revival in Florida, which began in April 2008. Bentley claimed that tens of thousands of people were healed at the revival, but a June 2008 investigation by ABC Nightline could not find a single confirmed case. Bentley took a short break after the program was broadcast, but returned to leading the meetings. However, in August 2008, he stepped down permanently when it was revealed he was separating from his wife, Shonnah, and was in a relationship with Jessa Hasbrook, a member of his staff.
      • Tony Alamo, 2008
      • On September 20, 2008, FBI agents raided Tony Alamo Christian Ministries headquarters as part of a child pornography investigation. This investigation involved allegations of physical abuse, sexual abuse and allegations of polygamy and underage marriage. According to Terry Purvis, mayor of Fouke, Arkansas, his office has received complaints from former ministry members about allegations of child abuse, sexual abuse and polygamy since the ministry established itself in the area, and in turn, Purvis turned over information about the allegations to the FBI. Investigators at the scene plan to conduct a search of ministry headquarters and the home of Alamo and interview children present on the compound. In late July 2009, Alamo (who had a previous conviction for tax evasion in the 1990s) was convicted on ten counts of transporting minors across state lines for sexual purposes, sexual assault and other crimes. On November 13, 2009, he was sentenced to the maximum punishment of 175 years in prison.
  • Our Experiences in Church
    • The Way Ladies Dress
    • Lady spreading her legs in the tent
  • Sexually Suggestive Hymns
    • He touched Me. oh,he touched me
      • He touched me. Oh, he touched me.
        And oh, the joy that floods my soul!
        Something happened, and now I know!
        He touched and made me whole. –He Touched Me
    • Have Thine own way, Lord, Have thine own way
      • Have Thine own way, Lord, Have Thine own way;
        Thou art the Potter; I am the clay.
        Mould me and make me After Thy will,
        While I am waiting, Yielded and still.
      • Have Thine own way, Lord, Have Thine own way;
        Hold o’er my being Absolute sway.
        Fill with Thy Spirit Till all shall see
        Christ only, always, Living in me.
    • He is Coming Again, He is coming again
      • He is coming again, He is coming again,
        The very same Jesus, rejected of men;
        He is coming again, He is coming again,
        With power and great glory, He is coming again!
    • Fill Me Up God
      • Come on, let the sound of worship be released from your lips tonight
        Come on, raise it now
        Oh, that’s good y’all, raise it, raise it
      • You provide the fire
        I’ll provide the sacrifice
        You provide the spirit
        And I will open up inside
        You provide the fire
        I’ll provide the sacrifice
        You provide the spirit
        I will open up inside
      • Fill me up God
        Fill me up God
        Fill me up God
        Fill me up
      • Fill me up God
        Fill me up God
        Fill me up God
        Fill me up
    • Oh Come, All ye faithful

Show Wrap

EndNotes

  1. https://www.todayschristianwoman.com/articles/2008/september/why-affairs-happen.html
  2. https://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/survey-reveals-faiths-unfaithful-article-1.1815733
  3. http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/lifestyle/html/20060819
    T200000-0500_111618_OBS_SEX_IN_THE_CHURCH_.asp
  4. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/10/5/awful-truth-child-sex-abuse-in-the-catholic-church#:~:text=The%20Catholic%20Church%20has%20been,clergy%20between%201950%20and%202020.
  5. https://nypost.com/2022/03/23/bombshell-hillsong-doc-details-carl-lentz-scandal-churchs-cover-ups/
  6. https://www.essence.com/news/sex-scandals-christian-church-eddie-long/
  7. http://www.back2stonewall.com/2019/07/ye-sin-22-evangelical-christian-scandals-rocked-world.html

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